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It'due south Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass Information technology On! |  | | | 55 members (antune, bsntn99, AndreaH, bimzdbear, bobrunyan, bwv872, benbradley, 12 invisible), 594 guests, and 338 robots. | | Central: Admin, Global Mod, Modernistic | | | OP  Full Fellow member Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 180 | What's the general consensus on this? All else being equal, how do
people view the relative merits of teachers who take: (a) No credentials
(b) MTNA certification
(c) A degree in music education
(d) A degree in music performance I know a lot of organizations are entirely self-promoting, and their
certifications comport no real weight. But, reading the requirements on
their site, it does seem like they cover the important aspects of a
music degree with respect to piano didactics. Any thoughts on this? | | | Joined: April 2007 Posts: 17,387 Yikes! 10000 Post Society Member | | Yikes! 10000 Mail Guild Member Joined: April 2007 Posts: 17,387 | As a member of MTNA for x years, I've toyed with the idea of becoming certified through them. I already take my principal's degree, but my teaching business was booming even when I only had a bachelor'southward in music. What carried the most weight, and still does I think, are references from students. That discussion of oral fissure is the best testament to how practiced of a instructor yous really are. But information technology is squeamish to have stuff to put later your name as well. The MTNA certification can requite you lot that, and then you can explain to prospective students what that means. It generally means piffling to the average person who doesn't know the different kinds of certification, but like anything, information technology sounds impressive. I know that is shallow to say, but it is also the truth. I retrieve a) would be the worst choice, and b) c) & d) would be fine individually, simply improve to have b) plus C) or d).
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The Achievement Programme Heart Representative | | | Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,639 7000 Post Club Member | | 7000 Mail service Club Fellow member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: seven,639 | Well, I'g certain this topic could atomic number 82 to some other imbroglio, just here's another perspective: I see the MTNA certification every bit a GED of teaching. It shows the world you've mastered the bones subject affair knowledge to be a instructor. It does not, at this betoken in time, say annihilation almost the quality of your instruction. I know of two other certifications: Piano Gild and Well Prepared Pianist. Both crave demonstrated excellence in teaching by measuring the student performance. In addition, the WPP certification requires yous send in tapes of your teaching to the certification committee. I prefer the latter certifications because they are based on results, non book learning. And the last fourth dimension I checked, it's really difficult to produce consistently loftier results without the foundation noesis, and then the certification implies mastery of the subject matter.
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
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Certified by the American College of Musicians; fellow member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA | | | Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 227 Full Fellow member | | Total Fellow member Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 227 | As a former piano student, I've never paid whatsoever attention to the messages at the stop of any of my teachers' proper noun. I've always judged them on how well they teach me and whether their explanations hold any logical weighting in relation to the context.
nUtChAi Kawai Yard-v "You are the music while the music lasts" - T.S. Eliot (1888 - 1965) | | | Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 203 Full Member | | Full Member Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 203 | John, you may take a very good point. Right now, I would non accept to exercise tons to get MTNA certification, and my state clan volition refund the application fee. And so it seems similar it might be worth doing. I was not aware of the Piano Guild or WPP certification. I have been more serious about getting my ARCT in educational activity from RCM. That is a three-tiered program that involves demonstrating performance ability, testing "book learning," and taking a vive voce examination.
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The Achievement Program Center Representative | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 180 Full Member | | OP Total Fellow member Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 180 | Thanks for the replies. Originally posted by John five.d.Brook:
I see the MTNA certification as a GED of teaching. It shows the world yous've mastered the basic subject matter knowledge to be a teacher.
Right, I wouldn't wait anything more. My main question is how much more than valuable a college degree is than MTNA certification. Looking at the curricula for music degrees, it seems that the certification does test you on the main points. Right now, I have neither. I practice have a chief's degree in an unrelated subject, then going dorsum to become my available's in music would exist a major commitment. On the other hand, I've read college-level textbooks on theory and history, so I'g pretty sure I could pass the certification exams in those subjects. | | | Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,639 7000 Post Gild Fellow member | | 7000 Post Club Member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,639 | If I recollect correctly, you too have to present a recital, and transport a re-create of the program to MTNA. This requirement may have inverse since I last looked.
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
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Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 180 Full Member | | OP Total Member Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 180 | Originally posted by John v.d.Brook:
If I think correctly, you likewise have to present a recital, and send a re-create of the program to MTNA. This requirement may have changed since I last looked. I believe there'south a form that has to be completed by 3 witnesses. | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,896 4000 Post Society Member | | 4000 Mail service Club Member Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,896 | Wow, what we don't know about MTNA Certification. I retrieve I'll email her and tell her there is a real opportunity to provide information in PWF. Or, better yet, become to MTNA and await for Certification. There is a MTNA certification path for 1) those with degrees in music, and a certification path for study in vii subjects and testing at each of them. And there is a ONLINE program in North Dakota at a community college to prepare for MTNA Certification. Beth Gigante Klingenstein is the director. I wish I had a moment to provide those links. Teaching is of the utmost importance: How to teach, what to teach. Access to pedagogue's and their philosophies and expertise is a huge reading group for anyone wanting to know a whole lot more than most pianoforte instruction. I recommend reading biographies of composers, pianist performers and piano teachers. Nosotros are all connected in music education. MTNA is a mighty organisation. | | | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,387 Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member | | Yikes! 10000 Post Social club Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,387 | John,
While a instructor should empathise the basic body of knowledge of music, the testing besides asks pedagogical questions that will run into their standards of excellent teaching. Teachers are tested on their musical cognition in a test or with equivalent studies at a college or university. They are tested on their operation proficiency by submitting a programme that meets the requirements of performance or by having messages from a university teacher stating that you lot have met those requirements. Thirdly, you need to prove that your are knowledgeable as a teacher past submitting 3 letters of reference past electric current MTNA members every bit well as providing proof that you lot accept taught for at least ii sequent years past submitting lesson plans and notes. They also look into how you comport business every bit well (similar with a studio policy and such). Details can be establish at http://www.mtnacertification.org/Home/tabid/106/Default.aspx While I don't know what the other certification programs out in that location are like, it seems to me that anyone who is certified has met a high standard, as these requirements are not easy to meet. To the OP, given the fact that you have your undergrad degree in something other than music, you may want to await into certification rather than getting another bachelors. I don't think anyone would fault you lot for having a career change, and the certification would "prove" to a prospective pupil that you are a capable teacher.
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| | | Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: vii,639 7000 Post Gild Member | | 7000 Post Gild Member Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: vii,639 | Morodiene, every affair you say is true, and it has value, but it doesn't accost "output." That is, educatee accomplishment. There is a certain tension between academics and business, because the sometime reaches a standard and then is admitted into the profession, while the latter must constantly prove his worth through superior production. The teacher side of my actually likes the erstwhile, but the parent side of me prefers the latter.
"Those who cartel to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
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Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,461 1000 Mail service Gild Member | | m Mail service Club Member Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,461 | I'm working on my MTNA certification. I've started on classes this semester through the program Betty mentioned. It's not pain my ablility to take a full studio, merely I feel I'g becoming a better teacher because of what I'm learning.
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Certified Piano Teacher, American College of Musicians
Fellow member: MTNA, NGPT, ASMTA, NAMTA | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,896 4000 Postal service Club Member | | 4000 Post Guild Member Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: iv,896 | For Mkorman, the data you are asking for! For Stanny, So glad to hear it Stanny! MTNA Certification Preparation -
Completely ONLINE Valley City Land Academy (South Dakota)
Telephone: 800-532-8641 Ext: 37269
electronic mail: Beth.klingenstein@vcsu.edu
web: http://music.vcsu.edu "Pedagogy is aligned with MTNA Certification Portfolios requirements and includes preparation of all MTNA portfolio documents." Staff:
Beth Klingenstein,NCTM
Piano Didactics and Music History
and
Dr. Sara Hagen, NCTM
Music Theory Subjects:
Applied/Piano Teaching 2 semesters
Music History 3 semesters
Music Theory four semesters
Practical Lessons Jury Evaluation Good luck! Betty | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 6,296 6000 Mail Club Member | | 6000 Mail service Order Member Joined: May 2007 Posts: six,296 | Originally posted past John 5.d.Brook:
I see the MTNA certification as a GED of pedagogy. GED?  What is GED? Gigantic Education Degree?
Gentle Entry Diploma?
Become Everything Done? (not just trying to be funny - I've actually never heard of it  ) | | | Joined: April 2006 Posts: i,595 1000 Post Club Member | | 1000 Post Club Fellow member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: ane,595 | Originally posted past Gary D.:
GED = General Equivalency DiplomaFor students who drop out of high school… Or choose to not go because they want to accelerate their instruction by alternative means.
Individual Piano Teacher,
fellow member MTNA and Piano Basics Foundation | | | Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,595 1000 Post Social club Fellow member | | m Mail Club Member Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,595 | Originally posted by mkorman:
What's the general consensus on this? All else being equal, how do
people view the relative claim of teachers who have:(a) No credentials
(b) MTNA certification
(c) A caste in music education
(d) A degree in music operation I know a lot of organizations are entirely self-promoting, and their
certifications carry no existent weight. But, reading the requirements on
their site, it does seem like they encompass the important aspects of a
music caste with respect to piano pedagogy. Whatsoever thoughts on this? None of the in a higher place is applicable, imo. I personally recollect that being a good, qualified teacher is based on what that teacher can produce and how much or trivial turnover a teacher has.
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